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From @lex-luthor.ai.mit.edu:jcma@REAGAN.AI.MIT.EDU Thu Jun 10 20:09:36 1993
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 16:52-0400
From: The White House <75300.3115@compuserve.com>
To: Clinton-News-Distribution@campaign92.org
Subject: Press Briefing by Dee Dee Myers 6.10.93
THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
_____________________________________________________________________
For Immediate Release June 10, 1993
PRESS BRIEFING
BY DEE DEE MYERS
The Briefing Room
12:15 P.M. EDT
MS. MYERS: One quick scheduling change. At 5:30 p.m.
the President will sign the NIH reauthorization bill. It will be in
the Roosevelt Room. It will be pooled.
Q What time?
MS. MYERS: At 5:30 p.m.
Q What is that bill?
Q Is that the one that bars HIV positive people from
coming into the United States?
MS. MYERS: It does. It also allows fetal tissue
research and other things. So it's a pretty comprehensive bill.
Q Does it bar them from coming in altogether or just
to come in as immigrants, residents?
MS. MYERS: It bars immigration. It doesn't deal with
travel visas, I don't think.
Q Could we possibly get a fact sheet on that bill?
MS. MYERS: Sure, we can put something together.
Q Can you give us a readout on the Domestic Policy
Council meeting?
MS. MYERS: It was a good meeting, frank and productive
conversation.
Q No advocacy. Just facts, ma'am. (Laughter.)
MS. MYERS: Just the facts. (Laughter.) It lasted a
little over an hour. They talked a great deal about empowerment
zones, about Education 2000, about --
Q That was a Bush program.
MS. MYERS: Education 2000 -- that's our education bill.
Q America 2000 was --
Q Excuse me. How could I get --
MS. MYERS: Yes. Please, Susan, get your facts straight
or Helen will jump on you. (Laughter.) But it was a good meeting.
It was the first full meeting of the Domestic Policy Council.
Susan. Nice shoes.
Q Thank you. (Laughter.) What is the President
doing to mend the fences with the Black Caucus?
MS. MYERS: Well, he's spoken to a number of members on
the phone including Congressman Mfume. He's had good discussions
with them. The Caucus members signed a letter which they sent to the
President outlining some of their concerns, including the empowerment
zones, the earned income tax credit, food stamp programs and other
things. The President shares those concerns and looks forward to
working with members of the Black Caucus and others to protect those
programs, which he said he's very committed to.
Q He spoke with Mfume today?
MS. MYERS: Last night.
Q Why won't he give them an ironclad commitment that
he's not going to allow the cuts to come out of the programs that
they're talking about?
MS. MYERS: I think he's given a very strong commitment
to his investments including the earned income tax credit and the
empowerment zones. And he said clearly, and I think Director Panetta
reaffirmed last night that we're committed to those and we're going
to push very hard to make sure that those are in any final package.
Q Now senior groups are calling him a senior basher
this morning for some of the negotiations which are going on over
Medicare.
MS. MYERS: The Senate is negotiating over Medicare.
The President has made very clear that he wants to make sure this
package is fair, that it does not hit unnecessarily at any particular
group, particularly those most vulnerable, including seniors. I
think he's made it abundantly clear that he's going to look at this,
he's concerned about progressivity, he's concerned about fairness.
It was one of the things he raised as the Senate was going through
it's deliberations yesterday and it's something he's going to
continue to press.
Q Dee Dee, what's the word on a summit with Yeltsin?
MS. MYERS: There's no schedule for a summit with
Yeltsin.
Q Christopher seemed to think --
MS. MYERS: Well, what he's said --
Q Well, the Secretary of State seemed to have
announced one.
MS. MYERS: No, he didn't. And I'd talked with his
folks in Athens and he announced that we would have by the end of the
year a summit with the heads of state from the NATO countries and
that at some point he expected we would have a meeting with Yeltsin
in Moscow. But he didn't mean to announce one or imply that there
had been one scheduled. There just simply hasn't been.
Q When is the NATO meeting?
MS. MYERS: It is sometime before the end the year.
THere's no firm plans, but I think --
Q There were direct quotes from the NATO meeting now
that the NATO dates were set to conform -- to come right after the
meeting in Moscow.
MS. MYERS: No, that's just simply -- that is not --
simply not true. There has been no --
Q So the reporting is wrong on this?
MS. MYERS: That's correct. There has been no meeting
scheduled in Moscow. Although the Secretary of State said he
expected that there would be at some point be a summit meeting with
Yeltsin, there is none scheduled.
Q Dee Dee, what about --
Q Here?
MS. MYERS: I think what he said was in Moscow.
Q what can you tell us about the Supreme Court?
Q Yes, but are you talking about this year?
MS. MYERS: No, not necessarily. There's no date for a
meeting with -- I mean, the President will meet with President
Yeltsin in Tokyo. But there is no plans, specific or unspecific, for
a summit with Yeltsin in Moscow at this point.
Q Will the President be going to Brussels in December
for the NATO summit?
MS. MYERS: I don't know. We don't have the dates
worked out. Yes, at some point, he'll be going for a NATO heads of
state meeting, yes. The Secretary of State --
Q About that time of year?
MS. MYERS: Probably toward the end of the year. The
Secretary of State announced that today.
Q Can you explain the President's comment yesterday I
believe in answer to a question at the Roundtable about now he would
consider entitlement caps? I thought the President has argued
strenuously against entitlement caps because it would shift costs
unfairly.
MS. MYERS: Yes, but I think the President's been very
clear -- I don't know what comment you're referring to.
Q In answer to -- during the Q&A yesterday.
MS. MYERS: I'd have to go back and look at the
transcript, but I think his position has been consistent on that,
that he doesn't support entitlement caps, he does think that that
would end up shifting costs to the private sector for health care.
He believes that health care cost reductions has to be achieved
through comprehensive health care reform. There's been no change in
that.
Q He did say specifically that he would be open to
entitlement caps as part of health care reform. He talked about his
concerns about cost shifting and imposing entitlement caps in the
budget process, but the quote was, "I would be open to that."
MS. MYERS: But as part of health care reform and not
part of the budget or reconciliation process.
Q Right. Can you explain how that fits into his
previous comments?
MS. MYERS: The point that he's tried to make throughout
is that if you cap entitlement costs now, without doing anything
about health care reform, with the cost of health care rising, with
absolutely no controls on it, as is the current system, all you'll do
is you shift the cost to the private sector. People who are
currently insured and employers who pay insurance for their employees
will go up. I think we're looking at a number of options, and I
obviously can't speak to the specifics on health care reform. But if
you have a health care reform program that controls costs, you can
have a much more effective handle on controlling the costs --
particularly the costs and growth of entitlement programs.
I don't think he meant to imply any particular program,
other than to say that the only way to control the growth in the cost
of entitlements is to control the growth in health costs. And the
only way to do that is through comprehensive reform.
Q Dee Dee, is there anything in this program at all
that is non-negotiable in the budget reconciliation? Is there
anything specifically that he has said you can't touch this at all,
don't modify it?
MS. MYERS: The President is committed to his principles
on this.
Q What might those be? (Laughter.)
MS. MYERS: I didn't bring my flash cards today.
Q I'm asking about specifics. Is there anything
specifically in this program that is non-negotiable? I think we all
understand the principles.
Q Really?
MS. MYERS: I think there's a lot of things that are
non-negotiable.
Q Such as what?
MS. MYERS: Such as progressivity is non-negotiable.
He's going to make sure that this program is progressive, that's it's
fair.
Q Those are principles.
MS. MYERS: I don't think he's going to let -- at this
point, what we want to do is make sure that the process goes forward.
The President's committed to seeing it go forward in the Senate,
through the Senate Finance Committee, to the full Senate, back to
conference. I think what he's most concerned about is that he gets a
budget that meets those broad principles. I don't think we're going
to -- and there are many things in there that he's very committed to.
He's very committed to an earned income tax credit; he thinks that's
been a successful program. Any compromise that comes out of a
conference will contain some form of an earned income tax credit.
Q But it can be less than what you're asking for, now
that the energy tax will probably be less?
MS. MYERS: We'll see what gets worked out. I think
that there's clearly going to be some changes and adjustments on a
number of programs. But the President is committed to his
investments; he's committed to $500 billion in deficit reduction;
he's committed to fairness; and he's committed to a broad-based
energy tax. And all those things will be contained.
Q Dee Dee, if the Senate bill does not meet those
principles, is he prepared to accept a Senate bill that doesn't meet
it in order to fight for them in conference, or will he impose --
MS. MYERS: I think we want to see the process go
forward. And the Senate bill -- it's something that the Senate's
going to have to work out. We'll continue to make very clear what
the President wants to see. But the thing we're most concerned about
is the final product.
Q Is that a yes then, Dee Dee?
MS. MYERS: We don't have a vote in the Senate, and we
can't control the final product in the Senate.
Q So he doesn't care about the Senate then?
MS. MYERS: Well, no. He would like to see the Senate's
final package meet the principles that he's outlined. But again,
he's not a member of the Senate, he can't vote, he can't make
specific changes in that package. He does want to see the process go
forward, and what he's most concerned about and what he's going to
fight for is to make sure that what comes out of the conference
committee meets those principles.
Q That's where the fight on principles will be, then,
is in conference, not so much in the Senate?
MS. MYERS: We'll continue to make it very clear what
our principles are. As you know, Secretary Bentsen is talking with
Moynihan, Mitchell and others in the Senate Finance Committee and
eventually in the full Senate to make sure that they know what the
President's goals are here. But, again, we don't have a vote.
Q tax meet those principles, now that you've had a
day to study it?
MS. MYERS: We'll see what proposal the Senate Finance
Committee comes back with.
Q As he outlined it, does it now?
MS. MYERS: We're not going to make a judgment on any
particular proposal.
Q You seem to have a different phrase that the
President used today, and I don't know if it was deliberate, if you
can help me on that -- when he was talking about the principles
during the photo op. He said an energy tax as broad-based as
possible, rather than a broad-based energy tax.
MS. MYERS: No, I think --
Q And a transportation tax, for instance, is less
broad-based. Was that deliberate new phrasing?
MS. MYERS: The point is, he's still committed to a
broad-based energy tax and --
Q He as not trying to signal that a gasoline tax
would be acceptable?
MS. MYERS: No.
Q Or a fuel tax?
MS. MYERS: Again, we'll see what proposal the Senate
Finance Committee actually comes up with. They still have a lot of
work to do there. I think they're meeting right now. But he wants
to see a broad-based energy tax.
Q Is there any administration person meeting with
them? The Democrats, I mean.
MS. MYERS: I don't believe so. Not now. I don't
believe there's anybody up there.
Q On General Campbell, you said by the middle of
June. It's the 10th of June today. Will we have a reaction by next
week?
MS. MYERS: Again, that's what the Air Force said. The
Air Force is reviewing this, and they have said that they'll have a
report by mid-June.
Q Is the President going to meet with the Black
Caucus soon, or how was it left last night?
MS. MYERS: The President has met with the Black Caucus
periodically. We offered to meet with them this week; they said they
didn't think that would be necessary. (Laughter.) That happens to
be true. Just the facts, as Helen has asked. I would hold open the
possibility that we'll meet with them when they think it is
appropriate.
Q On that nuclear question I asked the other day,
have you decided -- have nuclear relations a deterrent to full
relations with another country? And is the White House prepared to
talk to the New Zealand Prime Minister about his proposals?
MS. MYERS: I don't have an answer for you. In terms of
nuclear relations, they're always an issue in our relationships with
other countries. We're committed to nonproliferation and so nuclear
issues are always a concern.
Q Will you contact him in response to his statement
asking President Clinton to thaw relations because --
MS. MYERS: I'll have to take that question.
Q What is Greenspan doing here?
MS. MYERS: He met with the President last night at the
Residence --
Q Who?
MS. MYERS: Chairman Greenspan.
Q Babbitt? (Laughter.)
MS. MYERS: Judge Bork. (Laughter.) They had a good
meeting. It lasted about an hour. (Laughter.)
Q He was on the list. (Laughter.)
MS. MYERS: Won't rule it in, won't rule it out.
(Laughter.)
Q What's it about?
MS. MYERS: They talked, among other things, about the
reconciliation plan. And I believe Chairman Greenspan thought that
the deficit reduction would help keep interest rates down.
Q Are you ready to make the Mondale nomination?
MS. MYERS: We hopefully -- there are still diplomatic
procedures that have to be completed. We hope to have something on
that maybe tomorrow. It won't happen today.
Q Are you still waiting for the Japanese response?
MS. MYERS: The official response, yes.
Q And the Court -- tomorrow?
MS. MYERS: It is unclear. As soon as I know I'll let
you guys know. The President has not made a decision.
Q What's that?
MS. MYERS: This is the Supreme Court, timing on Supreme
Court. It could come as early as tomorrow. It could come later.
Q That's pretty well --
Q Has he met with anyone on the subject yet?
MS. MYERS: Not to my knowledge.
Q Does he have any meetings today?
MS. MYERS: Not to my knowledge.
Q Did he read the Goldwater article in The Washington
Post today?
MS. MYERS: I don't know if he read it. I have not
talked to him about that.
Q Do you have a timetable for submitting your NAFTA
package to Congress?
MS. MYERS: We had hoped to have it wrapped by the end
of the year.
Q No, submitting it to Congress with your amendment.
Q What?
Q NAFTA.
MS. MYERS: Do we have a timetable for submitting our
NAFTA package to Congress? And my response was simply we had hoped
to have it wrapped up by the end of the year. I don't know if
there's a specific time line -- not that I know of, but I can take
that and get back to you.
Q Dee Dee, when you said that it might be tomorrow,
does that mean the President has made up his mind on who the nominee
will be?
MS. MYERS: No, the President has not made up his mind.
Q So if he hasn't made up his mind, how can it be so
quick as tomorrow?
MS. MYERS: It doesn't take long to arrange a press
conference, once you make a decision.
Q It doesn't take long to make up your mind.
(Laughter.)
MS. MYERS: He's going to pick the best person possible.
Q Back on the Greenspan meeting. It's been widely
expected that the Fed was waiting to see the latest round of
inflation figures before considering an increase in the discount
rate. Did the President get any commitments from Greenspan?
MS. MYERS: No. The Fed is an independent agency and we
don't presume to control their decisions. However, I think most of
the people here, the economic advisors believe that there is no real
inflationary pressure in the economy. Although there's been some up-
tick, we remain optimistic about inflation.
Q On the Greenspan meeting --
Q Has the President expressed those views to
Greenspan?
MS. MYERS: I think they had a wide range of
conversations. I wasn't there, I don't know the exact nature. But
they did talk about deficit reduction and a variety of other things,
and I think, again, Chairman Greenspan said he thought deficit
reduction would help keep interest rates low.
Q On the Greenspan meeting, though, in addition to
reconciliation, did they discuss the possible -- or the substantial
revision in the deficit as a result of low interest rates?
MS. MYERS: I don't know. I'll have to take that.
Q Dee Dee, on NAFTA. Mr. Perot has asked Mr. Kantor
if they want to have a debate, he's willing to put up the time.
MS. MYERS: I would refer you to the USTR on that.
Q Do you have an answer to my question from yesterday
about all-male clubs?
MS. MYERS: I have a sort of slightly related
announcement, actually. In keeping with White House tradition, Mr.
Gergen is going to resign from a variety of -- wait a second --
Q Ooooh. (Laughter.)
Q What other clubs --
MS. MYERS: Here it is -- with -- (laughter) -- now,
don't be jumping to any conclusions here. From nonprofit boards,
public policy and social organizations, commissions and study group
including: the American Committee for Aid to Poland, the American
Assembly, the Aspen Institute --
Q Can you slow down please?
Q Can we have a list?
MS. MYERS: Certainly. Yes, I can give you a list.
Q You're not out of the A's yet. (Laughter.)
MS. MYERS: I know. I know. This is a long list.
(Laughter.) He's a busy guy. Duke University School of Public
Policy, International Media Fund, National Committee for U.S.-China
Relations, the National Endowment for Democracy, the Smithsonian
Council, the University of Maryland Board of Visitors, Very Special
Arts Foundation, the Washington Campus, the Bohemian Grove Council.
(Laughter.) Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission.
(Laughter.) The Aspen Institute, the Commission on Strengthening of
America, the Nunn-Domenici Commission, and the Johnson Foundation
Committee on Higher Education.
Q And he won't eat at Denny's either. (Laughter.)
Q What is this administration's policy? Was he
suddenly apprised of it, or was he apprised of it because of Ruth's
question?
MS. MYERS: The President -- Mr. Gergen never discussed
this with the President. We have no formal policy, but I think that
we take actions consistent with the President's commitment to an
inclusive and diverse administration, one that reflects America. And
I think we'll act consistent with those views.
Q Dee Dee, he said he wasn't going to resign from the
Bohemian Grove.
MS. MYERS: I think, though, that in the broader
context, I think a lot of people, when they come in, just as sort of
-- it's not a policy, but it is a tradition that they resign from a
lot of boards and commissions and other organizations in order to
avoid even the appearance of impropriety in the future. And I think
Mr. Gergen is acting with that tradition.
Q But having worked here in three previous
administrations, did he not know that?
Q Why is the Bohemian Grove on that list?
MS. MYERS: Because he resigned from a variety of social
and professional organizations. All of them -- all of the ones of
which he was a member.
Q Why did he believe it was appropriate to resign
from the Bohemian Grove?
MS. MYERS: Because he resigned from all of his social
and professional organizations, and in order to be consistent --
Q They don't make policy.
Q He doesn't belong to any other -- he belongs to
zero clubs?
MS. MYERS: These are all the organizations of which
he's a member, yes. Social, professional -- these are mostly
nonprofit organizations. But he resigned from all of them.
Q Dee Dee, on the contrary -- I really want to follow
up on this. There is no White House tradition that I'm aware of for
people to resign from country clubs, private organizations, all sorts
of clubs. And for you to try to link this to resignations from
things like the U.S. China thing or the Aspen Institute is really not
an honest way of answering the question.
MS. MYERS: It is an honest way of answering the
question. It is the framework in which David Gergen has made this
decision.
Q Can you name another White House official who has
resigned from a club as opposed to a professional organization?
MS. MYERS: I don't have a list in front of me, but I
think there are some, yes.
Q Can you come up with some examples of people who
have resigned from clubs --
MS. MYERS: I will certainly check.
Q Do any White House officials belong to the Little
Rock Country Club?
MS. MYERS: I don't believe so.
Q Did anyone resign from that?
MS. MYERS: Mack McLarty did.
Q Do you know if he has any expectation of rejoining
any of these groups after he leaves?
MS. MYERS: I have no idea, and that's a question I
don't feel I have any -- is appropriate for me to ask.
Q When you're talking White House tradition you're
talking about Clinton White House tradition?
MS. MYERS: I think Dave Gergen is a pretty good judge
of White House -- much better judge of White House tradition than I
am, and I think this is what he feels is consistent with previous
White Houses.
Q Why did that change from Monday to now?
MS. MYERS: I think that he considered his memberships
in a broader context and decided that it was in the best interest of
-- in his interest and in the White House's interest for him to do
that. It was not a decision made specifically in reference to any
particular organization.
Q Do you have an answer to my question from
yesterday, which was what the President's view is of members of this
administration being members of all male clubs?
MS. MYERS: And what I said was that there was no
administration policy on it. The President expects members of his
administration to act consistent with his view that this is going to
be a broad and inclusive administration. And beyond that, I have
nothing to say.
Q If the decision was made based on Mr. Gergen's
understanding of White House policy going back several
administrations, why was it not made until Ruth brought out the
membership?
MS. MYERS: Well, I think that given that he had only
started on Monday that sometimes it takes a few -- this was a
decision that was done quickly and I think that this is consistent.
Q Are you suggesting that he intended to resign?
MS. MYERS: I think that he always intended to review
his membership and to make a decision about that, yes.
Q So are you indicating that there is no relationship
between the all-male membership aspects of the Bohemian Grove and his
resignation, is that what you're --
MS. MYERS: That's correct.
Q So it has nothing to do with that issue?
MS. MYERS: I don't know the nature of all these -- I
can't answer that.
Q So there's no relationship, his resignation has
nothing to do with --
MS. MYERS: That's correct.
Q this all male --
MS. MYERS: That's correct.
Q So the President's policy is that people --
MS. MYERS: The President doesn't have a policy, a
stated policy.
Q Well, you talked about the inclusive nature of the
administration. Yet the fact of the Bohemian Groves all-male
membership was irrelevant in Mr. Gergen's mind.
MS. MYERS: Two separate questions. The President
expects members of this administration to act consistent with his
views. I think that that has been done. I think when Mr. Gergen
came here he reviewed his membership in a variety of non-profit
organizations and social clubs, professional organization and made a
determination about how best to deal with that collectively and
decided to resign across-the-board and he's done so.
Q Has the President resigned from groups of which he
was a member?
MS. MYERS: I don't believe the President is a member of
many groups. He resigned as Governor of Arkansas.
Q How is the Bohemian Grove inconsistent with his
views, Dee Dee?
Q Dee Dee, I appreciate you might not know, but I
think the question is fair if you're going to cite a tradition that
his Counselor is following, if he has belonged to anything and if
he's resigned. I would --
MS. MYERS: I would be happy to -- I just don't know --
I don't know of any that he's resigned from, but I don't know of many
-- he may be still a member of the DLC. He's not a member of many
organizations.
Q Doesn't he hold some kind of membership in a
country club where he played the one afternoon --
MS. MYERS: He sure doesn't. He was never a --
Q in west Little Rock? He was an honorary
membership perhaps, but it was something on paper.
MS. MYERS: As Governor of Arkansas, I think he had an
honorary membership out at Chenault. But that belongs to him as
Governor of Arkansas, and I believe that Governor Tucker now is an
honorary member of Chenault Country Club.
Q That's his only membership, he has no other --
MS. MYERS: I will double-check. I don't know of any
other memberships.
Q So you're saying everyone in the White House is
going to resign all memberships in all clubs? Or has already?
MS. MYERS: Well, I think it's -- certainly boards and
commissions, organizations, different things that a lot of people
have resigned, including starting perhaps with the First Lady, who
resigned, as you know, from a number of boards and commissions during
the campaign. I think that's something that people have done over
the years and something that Mr. Gergen has chosen to do.
Q What about clubs?
Q Social clubs.
MS. MYERS: I think it's up to the individual people to
judge. And Gergen made a decision that he would resign from all
memberships, including social, professional organizations.
Q I don't understand the link still between the
social organization, which the Bohemian Grove is, and these various
professional organizations and boards.
MS. MYERS: He made a decision to resign from all the
organizations of which he's a member.
Q Period.
MS. MYERS: Period.
Q The tradition that you cited that he do that does
not apply as a rule informally or otherwise to all White House staff?
MS. MYERS: I think there's a tradition of resigning
from organizations. I think a lot of people have done it, consistent
with the advice of counsel, on a number of these different things.
It's something that I think is very common.
Q Well, then, in that case, let me ask you to find
out please whether Mr. Gergen is a member of any Washington club such
as the Metropolitan Club or the Cosmos Club. And if he is, is he
contemplating resignation from those as well?
MS. MYERS: I don't think so, because I believe this is
a comprehensive list of all the social and professional organizations
of which he's a member. That was his intention.
Q When did Mack resign --
Q But you will take that question, please?
MS. MYERS: At the same time that -- yes, I'll take it.
At the same time Webb Hubbell resigned.
Q What other social clubs are on that list?
Q And does Mack have other memberships?
MS. MYERS: I don't know.
Q Is the Bohemian Grove the only social club on the
list?
MS. MYERS: Yes, I believe so. I don't know what all
these are.
Q Is the Bohemian Grove consistent with President
Clinton's views of inclusive organizations?
MS. MYERS: I don't know enough about the Bohemian Grove
and I have not spoken to the President.
Q Well, it's all male.
MS. MYERS: But I don't know, is a women's business
council something that no one here should belong to? I'm not going
to make --
Q You said consistent with the views --
MS. MYERS: Well, maybe. If he was he would have
resigned. I'm not going to make a judgment on a case-by-case basis
from this podium. But I don't know enough about the Bohemian Grove
to talk about. I haven't talked to the President about it. Mr.
Gergen has not talked to the President about it.
Q A moment ago you used the phrase, "on advice of
counsel." Was the White House Counsel involved in Mr. Gergen's
decision to quit these organizations?
MS. MYERS: I think he talked briefly to the Counsel
about all of these boards and commissions and other organizations.
Q Mr. Nussbaum's advice to Mr. Gergen to quit?
MS. MYERS: As most -- he did -- I'm not going to share
with you what advice Bernie might have given to David. I think
that's privileged. But I will say, as you know, a number of people
here have resigned, it's very consistent, from organizations --
Q But the question was, on Monday Gergen said he
wasn't going to quit. Today you say he's talked to the Counsel and
on advice of Counsel he's quit.
MS. MYERS: He said he wasn't going to quit. I think he
reviewed all of his memberships and made a decision to resign
broadly. I know this is a very interesting issue to all of you guys,
but I --
Q Well, why do you suppose it's interesting to us?
Q But, Dee Dee, you're suggesting that Gergen had
always intended to resign all along doesn't seem to jive with Mr.
Gergen's --
MS. MYERS: I'm not sure that's exactly what I said. I
said he intended to review his memberships. Upon doing that, he made
a decision to resign. And I think that's all we have to say about
it.
Q what is -- between the day he appeared at the
podium and said he had no intention of resigning --
MS. MYERS: I think he made a judgment that in the
broader context it was advisable for him to withdraw, would resign
from all the boards and commissions of which he's a member.
Q What is the point? Nowhere in the world does such
kind of a policy exists. It doesn't make any sense to force people
out of social clubs because they are --
MS. MYERS: I think, again, it's a decision --
Q He's going to get --
MS. MYERS: Yes. (Laughter.) The only problem with us
not forcing people out of social clubs is that we might be forcing
them out of social clubs. It's unbelievable.
Q Dee Dee on another subject, the Oversight
Commission on the Space Station apparently seems to be having a
report. Do you know when that's going to be released, and it is up
to the White House to decide in what form that would be?
MS. MYERS: No. I think that we expect to get it either
today or perhaps tomorrow. I think that the head of the commission
is going to meet with the Vice President. I think we'll release the
report and we'll get back to you as soon as we have details. I think
we'll release it in whatever form they've prepared it. But I'll have
to get back to you on that. We're still waiting for it.
Q Can you explain the troops to Macedonia and
helicopters to Somalia?
Q Gunships, not helicopters.
Q Gunships.
MS. MYERS: Yes. They're fixed-wing aircraft. In terms
of Macedonia, the President has agreed that we would send 300
peacekeepers there to join 700 or so mostly Nordic troops that are
currently on the ground. It is consistent with our policy and part
of the joint action program we enacted with the allies to try to
contain the conflict and to make very clear that further aggression
into Macedonia will not be tolerated.
Q Dee Dee, when the President spoke with Congressman
Mfume --
MS. MYERS: Somalia. I believe --
Q Wait. You made it very clear -- but they don't
participate in any combat. So what is the role?
MS. MYERS: They're in a peacekeeping role. I think
it's --
Q As part of the U.N. forces?
Q What's the timing?
MS. MYERS: Correct. The next week or two, and DOD is
working out the new details on it.
Q If combat were to erupt in Macedonia for any
reason, would these troops be withdrawn, or would they stand and
fight?
MS. MYERS: The details of their mission is still being
worked out, but they will be there as part of the peacekeeping troop
currently on the ground.
Q But they are there is a trip wire in case combat
does break out there, which means that they --
MS. MYERS: They're to discourage any aggression or
action along the border in the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.
Q Well, what if that doesn't work? What if they fail
to discourage aggression and it happens?
MS. MYERS: The broader role of their mission is still
being worked out, but they are there to discourage any kind of action
and to reinforce our commitment to keep that conflict from spilling
over.
Q Don't they have the right of self-defense?
MS. MYERS: Again, rules of engagement are being worked
out, and I would refer you to the DOD on it.
Q Can you describe for us now, if at all possible,
what, if any, policy the U.S. has in the former Yugoslavia?
MS. MYERS: I think it's fairly clear. We have a nine-
point joint action program, which we enacted with our allies. But
the broad goals of that are to stop the bloodshed, or at least reduce
the bloodshed in Bosnia, and to keep the conflict from spilling over
into other parts of the region, and to prevent a broader Balkan war.
That's been our goal all along, and I think we're moving forward on
that -- Secretary Christopher had a press conference a while ago in
Athens where he announced a broader agreement on three points: That
air support for the UNPROFOR forces in Bosnia protecting the safe
havens would include a NATO element. We would probably have French
and British support. We will definitely have French and British
support for that operation, that the U.S. airlift capabilities will
be used to deploy additional UNPROFOR troops into the theater, and
that we would deploy 300 additional peacekeepers into the former
Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.
Q Would the President expect the deployment of troops
in Macedonia to increase our influence among Europeans and
overall --
MS. MYERS: I think it's a further demonstration of our
commitment to keeping that from --
Q As such?
MS. MYERS: -- well, I think we've led this process
throughout; I think we're going to continue to lead it. I think the
meeting in NATO was a good one, and I think the Secretary is going to
continue to press forward.
Q Dee Dee, now that American officials have
determined that Iraq was behind the attack --
Q Can we go to Somalia first?
Q Can you come back?
MS. MYERS: Somalia. Yes. On Somalia, there are four
C-130 attack, or whatever they are, aircraft that have been deployed
to Somalia. Their exact nature and what they're there for is to
enhance the ability of the quick response force that's currently
there, and exactly how they'll be used is up to the forces on the
ground.
Q They're AC-130s?
MS. MYERS: ACC-130s.
Q Is there supposed to be some action pending?
MS. MYERS: Obviously that's an option. We supported
the U.N. resolution that passed on Sunday. We're still working to
determine parties responsible for the attacks over the weekend and
we'll react appropriately.
Q But this is in response to the U.N. --
MS. MYERS: I think it enhances the capabilities of the
quick response team that's there. But exactly how they'll be used
will be determined on the ground.
Q Can you tell us, do you know what U.S. resources
are still in Somalia -- personnel?
MS. MYERS: There is about 1,100 or so members of the
quick response force and there are 3,000 additional U.S. personnel
there as part of the UNISOM II mission. So it's roughly 4,000,
4,200, something like that.
Q What has been their role recently?
MS. MYERS: Assuring the delivery of humanitarian
assistance, the ongoing delivery of humanitarian assistance, and
protecting troops in that effort.
Q How are they armed?
MS. MYERS: I don't know. I'd have to refer you to DOD
for the specific details.
MS. MYERS: Now that the United States has determined,
apparently, that Iraq was behind the assassination attempt in Kuwait,
what is the President's view?
MS. MYERS: We are still waiting for the final report on
that. We have not -- that has not been completed.
Q Does he believe that state-sponsored terrorism in a
case such as this needs to be dealt with, needs to be retaliated?
MS. MYERS: I mean, I think our position on state-
sponsored terrorism generally is clear. We don't tolerate it. But
specifically with reference to this case, we'll wait for the results
of the FBI investigation which is ongoing.
Q And when do you expect to get --
MS. MYERS: Soon.
Q Soon meaning -- does he have a meeting scheduled?
MS. MYERS: I don't have a -- there's nothing scheduled
that -- I don't have a specific time line, but it is coming.
Q Can I follow on the -- are you also waiting for the
end of the trial in Kuwait?
MS. MYERS: No.
Q You're -- whatever conclusions the FBI draws and
the CIA draws is what you will act upon?
MS. MYERS: We're waiting to see what those are.
Q You're not disputing the published reports of what
the conclusions are?
MS. MYERS: I'm not confirming or disputing that. I'm
simply saying we're going to wait for the complete report of the FBI
investigation.
Q Dee Dee, is the United States trying to get Germany
and Japan into the United States Security Council -- the United
Nations?
MS. MYERS: We supported that position, yes.
Q Is it proceeding anywhere? We hear that --
MS. MYERS: I don't know what the exact status of action
in the U.N. on that is, but it is the position that we support, that
we do support.
Q On campaign finance reform, there's apparently a
threat of filibuster in the Senate, there are some cloture votes
scheduled. What has the administration been doing to support the
legislation that it is now in the proposal -- that has been announced
with some fanfare a couple of weeks ago, and do you think campaign
finance reform is dead in the Senate?
MS. MYERS: Well, we obviously we hope that, I think the
cloture vote is scheduled for tomorrow and we hope the that Senate
Republicans won't filibuster it. They say they're committed to
changing the way we do business in this country -- political business
-- we certainly are; that's why we put forward this plan. We hope
that they don't veto -- we've been working with members of Congress
to try to get this thing through, to try to build support for it.
We'll see what happens.
Q Have you called any Senators personally?
MS. MYERS: I don't know if he's spoken to them
specifically about this.
Q Who else, other than Michael, who was here, who is
responsible for trying to get that through the Senate? Give us some
sense of what work the administration has been doing.
MS. MYERS: I'm going to defer this to Mike afterwards
if you guys want to ask him about it.
Q Dee Dee, the President yesterday spoke about a
modified line-item veto and thought that was a good thing during the
campaign. As a candidate he talked about a line-item veto. Which is
the President think would do more to help control spending?
MS. MYERS: Well, I think that he supports -- would
support a line-item veto, I'm not sure that that's possible. I think
that he thinks that a modified line-item veto, like the enhanced
recision plan that's been proposed would give him the authority to
line things out and force Congress to vote on specific pieces.
Q Is it fair to say that he thinks a -- as he talked
about during the campaign, would be more effective than controlling
spending?
MS. MYERS: Sure. But --
Q But he doesn't think it's possible to get, so he's
going to compromise on it?
MS. MYERS: I don't believe that that's politically
possible in this environment, so he thinks that, given that there is
a possibility he could get an enhanced recision to the bill through,
he'd support that.
Q Dee Dee, can I get you to clarify something that
you said earlier about Chairman Greenspan? He said that deficit
reduction help keep interest rates low, but you talk about that in
the context of a discussion of the reconciliation bill. Are you
talking about deficit reduction in the framework of President
Clinton's reconciliation bill?
MS. MYERS: Yes.
Q You are?
MS. MYERS: Yes.
Q As opposed to deficit reduction --
MS. MYERS: Deficit reduction generally would help keep
interest rates low, but he was being specific. He thought that the
President's plan contains a disciplined deficit reduction program and
that, if passed, it would help keep interest rates low.
Q Dee Dee, a follow on Mark. The President said if
he had any kind of line-item veto authority he'd be able to cut a
whole lot more money. Can you give us some examples of programs that
he would single out in that way, or can you get us a list?
MS. MYERS: We'll see what Congress passes. I mean, I
can't -- at this point I'm not going to without seeing what finally
comes out of the Congressional process.
Q Dee Dee, on the Supreme Court, is there still more
than one candidate applying?
MS. MYERS: Yes.
Q Dee Dee, can I go back to the Mondale appointment?
Q Who are they? (Laughter.)
Q you said that's going through diplomatic
channels. What exactly is happening here?
MS. MYERS: We're waiting to hear back from Tokyo for an
official acceptance of our Ambassador.
Q ambassador?
MS. MYERS: Agrement, to use the diplomatic term.
Q Can I follow up?
Q Will it happen, though, before the Tokyo summit --
if I can follow up -- will his appointment be -- will the Senate
approve it before the Tokyo summit?
MS. MYERS: I think that's unlikely.
Q There's no delay because of who you've chosen?
MS. MYERS: No.
Q If the President goes ahead and indicates his
intention to nominate before the Tokyo summit, which you seem to
suggest is on track, your agrement comes through, will Mr. Mondale
make the trip?
MS. MYERS: The Ambassador-designate probably would not
make the trip.
Q Is it a protocol question?
MS. MYERS: I think that's just a confirmation process
question and I don't believe that that person would make the trip.
Q Does that mean he wouldn't have any consultative
role in the G-7?
MS. MYERS: I wouldn't rule that out, but it would be in
the context of what's permissible as a designee.
Q Dee Dee, can I ask for a clarification on two
unrelated issues? On the economy, since the House task version of
the President's plan does appear to meet that what's described as 90
percent of his guidelines, is he assuring House members that he will
push for that bill in Congress?
MS. MYERS: I think he will push for a bill that meets
his -- neither version -- neither the House version or the Senate
version is going to be the conference version, that's just not
realistic. I think there are certain things in it that he wants.
He's going to push for deficit reduction, his investments like the
earned income tax credit, empowerment zones, immunization program.
There's a lot of things --
Q So it's no.
MS. MYERS: Well, no. He's not going to push -- it is
unrealistic to expect that the House version will pass conference.
That's just not the way the process works. The President will push
for --and I don't think any of the House members expect that -- what
they want to know is that he's going to push for the principles that
he enunciated throughout the process in the House, and he clearly
will. And there are a lot of specifics, his investments and other
things that he's committed to and he will fight for.
Q On the other unrelated clarification that I had.
Prime Minister Mulroney said that Europe would look more kindly upon
U.S. influence in the Yugoslav situation if it had troops on the
ground. Is the President's feeling of 300 soldiers sent to Macedonia
satisfies that commitment?
MS. MYERS: I think, I'm not sure what Prime Minister
Mulroney was specifically referring to, but our -- we have committed
to keeping that conflict from spilling over. However, our position
on ground troops in Bosnia itself has not changed.
Q I understand that.
MS. MYERS: We would only use ground troops there --see,
you have to ask Prime Minister Mulroney if he thinks that this meets
his criteria.
Q Dee Dee, when are those troops going? And will
they be under new -- direct U.N. command, or will they be --
MS. MYERS: Yes, they will be part of the U.N.
peacekeeping force -- UNPROFOR force in Macedonia. They will be
going I believe in the next -- they think they can get it done fairly
quickly in the next week or two.
Q They would be under the command of a U.N.
commander, not their own?
MS. MYERS: Blue Helmet Force.
Q Is that NATO forces that go into Germany?
Q policy, to put U.S. troops under the command of
NATO Blue Helmets?
MS. MYERS: I believe there are peacekeepers in Somalia
under other command are part of the Blue Helmet Force. I don't
believe that's a shift.
Q Clarify for me, will you, what your answer was on
the Yeltsin summit. I know you said not this summer, not Moscow.
Were you saying not this year? Is there a Yeltsin --
MS. MYERS: There is nothing scheduled. I'm saying that
it is conceivable during his presidency that President Clinton will
have a summit. I think that's obvious that, at some point he will
have one. There are no plans to have one this year, next year; there
are no firm plans at this point, period.
Q The idea, I believe, when they left Vancouver was
like home and away and that just dates to be settled. Have they
backed away from that? Is there some problem?
MS. MYERS: What I'm saying is that there will, no
doubt, sometime during his presidency, be a summit between Yeltsin
and Clinton. But at this point, none is scheduled. None is
scheduled this year. I'm not ruling out this year, I'm just trying
to be very clear --
Q The Secretary of State was much more specific than
that.
Q The Secretary of State says in the next several
months.
MS. MYERS: The only point I'm trying to make is that
there's nothing scheduled. There's nothing scheduled this year,
there's nothing scheduled next year. There is a wire report that
says that on the way to or from the NATO summit, there's going to be
a Russian summit. I'm saying unequivocally that is not true.
Q You use schedule in the meaning that when we
announce it, it's real, but not until that time, but which does not
really mean it's not in the works, usually --
MS. MYERS: It could be in the works. A lot of things
are being planned. There's nothing imminent.
Q The next several months sounds fairly imminent.
MS. MYERS: We're not about to announce something.
We're not going to announce something in the next couple of days or
the next week. It's not going to happen.
Q On health care reform, on the timing.
Q Dee Dee, another clarification. Yesterday when the
President said that the transportation fuel tax has economic
difficulties inherent in it, what was he referring to?
MS. MYERS: I'm not going to get into the specifics of
that.
Q Today he said that the Btu tax is the best and
fairest.
MS. MYERS: Correct.
Q Yesterday he said transportation fuels has economic
difficulties. He got briefed on the Breaux plan yesterday. So what
was he referring to?
MS. MYERS: I don't think he was briefed on the economic
impacts, I think he figured -- he understands those implicitly. But
the reason he thinks the Btu tax is the best is because it hits all
regions of the country relatively equally, it taxes all different
forms of energy. He believes it's fair that it raises the amount of
revenue he thought was necessary. He believes the Btu tax was the
best form of energy tax, but he's willing -- the Senate is not going
to pass a Btu tax. So we'll look at what they propose. And we'll go
back to conference where the Btu tax will be on the table along with
whatever the Senate approves and we will fight it out.
Q So the transportation fuel is certainly not the
best or the fairest?
MS. MYERS: The Btu tax is the best.
Q What's the foreign policy value of the Space
Station?
MS. MYERS: It is something that we'll work on with the
Russians. I think that's --
Q I'm thinking of the international value -- the
Europeans and the Russians.
MS. MYERS: I don't have a good answer on the foreign
policy value of the Space Station, other than to say it's something
we will work on jointly with Russian and perhaps others.
Q Yesterday you said that your goal now is to have
the health care plan unveiled by mid-July, sometime after the Tokyo
summit, hopefully before the August recess. Are you saying that
that's based on an optimism here that you will have the
reconciliation package in conference at that point, and that you can
handle the conference and unveiling of a controversial plan at the
same time?
MS. MYERS: Basically, yes. We'll see what happens.
Q So you're not anticipating a tough fight in
conference?
MS. MYERS: No, I think we are.
THE PRESS: Thank you.
MS. MYERS: Liberated.
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